IBEEF - Indiana Beef Evaluation and Economics Feeding Program
IBEEF is a steer and heifer feedout program that provides Indiana producers with a way to place cattle on feed and gather performance, carcass, and economic information to make genetic and management improvements in their herd. Cooperators receive individual and group feedlot performance, feedlot costs, and individual and group carcass information, including quality and yield grade, ribeye area, fat thickness, carcass weight, etc. IBEEF also allows producers to compare sires, as well as evaluate alternative marketing strategies and their impact upon profitability. The program also helps to improve the reputation of producer cattle by establishing a database of feedlot performance and carcass merit on their calves.
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by lithuanian farmer (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:28:46 GMT+5)
I really doubt if we gonna use genetics from US or Canada. We like European ones better, plus it's much closer to us and that makes it way cheaper. Here really are some very easy calving bloodlines with whatever traits you're looking for, like maternal or terminal. Some people here have cows or bulls with canadian or US roots, so always can find some if wanted. At the moment there are two very nice looking Angus bulls for sale with Canadian bloodlines. However we want to raise bigger more muscled breeds like Limos or Charolais. Angus could be a good choise for heifers, but at the moment all heifers are bred.
Texas Trip Ideas
by callmefence (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:25:30 GMT+5)
northcreek wrote:Thanks for all the excellent ideas. I had no idea Austin was such a yuppie town. I guess that is why it says keep Austin wierd? I have been to El Paso a few times when my brother was stationed there so this will all be new culture to me. We may need to reevaluate and look into staying longer into San Antonio instead of Austin.
Liberal hippies,yuppies and beatniks.
Look north,west, or south of San Antonio for Texas culture and scenery.
As mentioned by ranchman llano is a great town, and beautiful country. Legendary white bass run up the Colorado river march to April.
Check out Colorado bend state park..
by Jogeephus (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:20:50 GMT+5)
Bryant, I wish we did have a gov't trapper but the only one I know of is from the USFWS and he stays busy working with the local gov't with the beaver problem on roads and bridges and I think he charges on private land but it didn't sound like he had the time since he's busy with pigs and beavers on gov't lands. I've had fur trappers come but like Caustic says the furs aren't of much value and also the trappers only want to trap during the winter months because they claim the pelt quality isn't any good during the spring or summer but this may also have something to do with snakes.
The county put a bounty on them a while back and payed $20 per tail but all the money was used within a month. (I think they took in 1300 tails.) I spent some time with the guy from the USFWS and he showed me a few tricks which have been helpful. I caught two yesterday morning so this made five for the week and while checking traps and breaching dams on Friday I walked up on three snakes which always adds to the fun. I think I'm knocking a dent in them but its a royal pain because they are so persistent. I have about 150 acres of bottomland hardwoods that is flooded and if I don't get the water off the trees before the sap begins to rise they will die and the land could turn into wetlands which I don't want.
If only I could locate all the lodges and dens. This is much harder than it sounds because the area is not friendly terrain to walk - if you can call sludging through the muck walking - and its not boat friendly either and the thick brush, vines and trees makes shooting them with night vision nearly impossible not to mention all the blood sucking biting critters that come out at night. But when I can locate a lodge I can take out the whole bunch and this knocks a dent in the population real quick and it also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside which I'm sure is a sign that I am a bad person. I also have a few tricks I could use but I hesitate due to some pesky liability and legal concerns.
But like Caustic said, until we get a good market for the pelts it will be a constant problem because if I clear the beavers out more will move in from the neighbors so its a constant battle. Years ago many here would actually make enough off trapping beavers to live on. Now its hardly worth the trouble to skin one.
There is never a dull moment when you have beavers and pigs as pests.
Thinking of "Unregistering" A Few--Advice?
by True Grit Farms (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:17:15 GMT+5)
SPH wrote:Hope I don't offend anyone by expressing the view that I am about to say... Why aren't you culling this defect out of your herd, especially when the progeny is also testing positive for it too? Especially if you are selling any kind of seedstock off your farm, I get that you aren't selling those that tested positive and I'm glad you are taking a hard stance on that but why would you want to keep replicating this gene within your own herd by keeping the females? I get that you say they are good cows but would you keep a bull that tested positive for a defect? It's kind of like saying you're OK with keeping animals that carry a defect such as Hypotrichosis because you need the other animal you mate it with to be a carrier also in order for the defect to show up so you'll just be careful when you make breeding decisions. You're going to keep replicating the defect in herd if you keep any females that have it so the only way to really manage it without getting rid of your cows that tested positive for it would be to not retain any progeny by them and only use them for terminal calves. To me a better cow is one that tested free of defects, it may hurt to cull cows that are productive but you'll benefit more in the long term by riding yourself of this problem.
I'd be more worried about pinpointing where you are getting the defect trait from and making sure you don't continue to replicate it within your own herd. This is why I am glad breed associations are moving to requiring more DNA testing in order to register cattle. AHA requires it of any bull you want to register calves sired by and many guys now are just doing it on any bull they sell regardless if they are going to commercial herds because it's a great tool to have that you can guarantee up front that the bull a guy is buying from you is already tested free of defects. I believe that donor dams also have to be DNA tested in order to receive ET certification which is another good thing IMO too. In a herd of 17 females and at least 3 are known defect carriers that is 18% of your herd. The problem is not with the testing and the results you are getting and whether or not to register them is the solution. The problem is that the trait exists in your herd and the solution should be taking the necessary steps to rid yourself of the undesirable trait which probably includes doing some more testing within your herd if you say you have a closed herd.
Excellent post, I've been wondering the same thing myself. Selling seed stock is a whole different game from the commercial cattlemen, and as such there's a responsibility that comes with it. IMO How can quality breeding stock have a defect?
New year new calves
by lithuanian farmer (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:12:37 GMT+5)
Saturday born heifer from a 2nd calver. 288days gestation, 92lbs. We have checked the cow at ~9am, she was already nervous, keeping her tail up, belly was dropped down but no pushing yet. Checked her at 12.30pm and she was very calm, belly was smaller, she was very clean, not a single drop of blood on her, but no calf anywhere near. She actually was eating. Abit later came to look at other calves and saw that she was still calm, but looking at the small forest next to the pasture. After a couple minutes she started calling a calf abit. Then we were sure that she had a calf, but the calf went out from the pasture somewhere to hide. We've a lot of snow at the moment. Went to search for a little traveler and found her quite far inside the forest. Brought her back to the shed, but she still was wet and cold. Closed them both in the pen, but cow wasn't 100% sure if that's her calf and was kicking abit. Probably heifer went out soon after birth. After some time cow fully accepted heifer and now both are living warm in the shed where the calf can't run away from her dam.
Cost of keeping a cow
by shaz (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:11:57 GMT+5)
RiverHills wrote:Why can't we all just get along. Atleast learn to agree to disagree
Around here in my operation it cost $400 a year. You start adding up everything it can get scary in a hurry. If I pay myself good money for my time I can add a couple hundred easy.
I would figure in my time but I'm not a very good employee!
Know what I mean?
What I'm seeing today
by D2Cat (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:06:31 GMT+5)
Caterpillar calls them motor graders.
First calf of the year
by lithuanian farmer (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:58:22 GMT+5)
Nice looking calf and parents!
by lithuanian farmer (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:55:01 GMT+5)
Thank you all for advices.
She was destined to be culled after weaning this year calf since last spring already. She's almost 10 years old. Have her 13 years old dam, but she never had such problem.
Our cows are kept outside for the whole year, so they have everyday exercise. They have to walk to the hay, water and salt for licking.
Some photos of her.
Just less than minute after laying down.
After a couple minutes.
After abit of straining. She always poops after laying down, so she needs to strain more.
That's how it looks now and normally she still has around two weeks until calving.
Consulted with the vet. Have injected some medicine for her which should make her calve quicker. Most of the time it helps and cow calves after 3-4 days. Hopefully it'll help.
Belltec style augers
by shaz (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:44:23 GMT+5)
I have the FEL mount. Down force is the key to digging speed but I couldn't get by without mine. They are pricey though.
You ever have one vanish??????
by Dave (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:41:58 GMT+5)
Two years ago a healthy two month old calf disappeared without a trace. The pasture they were in is way back in a corner. Not visible or accessible from any road but there are miles of forest land behind that. I figured a cougar got him and hauled him back up into the timber.
So....why do you want to be a cowboy??
by TexasBred (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:34:40 GMT+5)
Farm Fence Solutions wrote:talltimber wrote:Farm Fence Solutions wrote:I get it cross_7.... I started wearing leather off the tree right between the badlands and the sand hills. Sometimes convenience isn't convenient. I'm better for it, even though they laugh at me around here for keeping a horse saddled all night until my little herd is done calving. We had a headgate in one of our calving pastures. It was tied between a couple of trees with old Classic three stands. One of these days, I'm going back where I belong.....
That's awesome. Whatever it takes. The next question, how do get them to stick there head in it?
Well, never the same way twice. It usually involved ropes, horses, and a little blood. We did have a couple of pipe panels to help the process along.
Can't remember if it was on this board or Ranchers.net but someone posted a pic a few years ago of a man on horseback that had roped a cow.....he had the rope right, cow on end of rope and vet was AI'ing the cow out in the middle of the pasture. Seems it was Montana, Wyoming and maybe even Canada.
Corn is Rock Solid
by TexasBred (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:32:26 GMT+5)
Stocker Steve wrote:angus9259 wrote:Was that ya'll just seeing if you could get me to pick through some poop?
Ya, but did you chew on it to test the shell hardness?
Ok now Steve. You mean the "Blind Taste Test"...
bull and bull EPD comparison
by NEFarmwife (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:28:59 GMT+5)
Supa Dexta wrote:You're selling bulls and didn't even know the epd basics?
Don't worry, I won't take it as promotion.
If you had read any of my post, you'd have seen that "I" had no Ag background prior... And my username is farmwife...So I mean, throw your snide remarks but you know what they say about assumptions.
Having had NO ag background, I am doing my absolute best to gain knowledge (the use of this board is one of them)... But thanks for being a total chump. So welcoming.
by wacocowboy (Posted Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:14:43 GMT+5)
We got one field they use the round bales the rest are still those big ole loafs.
THE WORLD ACCORDING TO HOOTER MCCORMICK -- DIFFERENT STRIPES
Hooter was feeling lucky. He bought the set of calves because they were cheap enough, and he had some wheat pasture for them. But being able to sell them into an up market with solid gain as the grazing ran thin was more chance than plan. He knew that, but he also couldn't help feeling just a tiny bit proud.
A.I. CAN CATAPULT BEEF BREEDING PROGRAMS FORWARD
The first use of artificial insemination was accomplished by Arab Sheiks who wanted to utilize bloodlines of tribal enemies. They would sneak up to the other tribe's herd at night with a mare in heat secretly collect semen from the stallion into a leather pouch and take it back to their own camp to inseminate a prize mare.
PRODUCERS CAN MAXIMIZE PREGNANCY RATES USING A.I.
Artificial insemination (AI) offers cattle producers the opportunity to use semen from high-accuracy, genetically superior sires at a fraction of the cost of purchasing a herd bull with similar genetics.
IT'S THE PITTS -- IDENTITY CRISES
There are many pros and cons of being me. The pros are I have a wonderful wife and a wonderful life, while my biggest cons are a sickly body and a terrible name.
MAKE SURE BULLS ARE READY BEFORE BREEDING SEASON
It's always a good idea to have a breeding soundness evaluation and semen check for any bull you plan to usenot only for bulls you purchase, but also the bulls you kept over from last year.
WATCH FOR SIGNS OF NUTRITIONAL DEFICIENCIES
As cattle producers one of our main tasks in day-to-day and overall management is providing for the nutritional requirements of the herd.
SALACOA VALLEY HOSTS TWO DAY SALE EVENT
Unseasonably warm temperatures and dry weather didn't dampen the enthusiasm of 142 registered buyers from nine US States, Mexico and Australia who gathered at Salacoa Valley Farms, Fairmount, Ga.
INTEREST IN LEGEND LESPEDEZA CONTINUES TO GROW
Predictions swirling around for 2017 include very little improvement for beef prices and the possibility of some extended drought conditions in some regions. That means that every serious manager facing this possible scenario had better be looking for ways to manage on both sides of the ledger.
BLACK INK -- THE PAYOFF FROM PROGRESS
There's always something more to do. After the holidays, things will slow down. Nah, maybe after calving, branding and breeding. But then, summer comes and there's all that hay to make when the sun is shining, fences to build and cedars to eliminate (or insert your own region-specific fair-weather task).
IT'S THE PITTS -- GYPSIES, TRAMPS AND BEEVES
I get my news from paperview. I read the newspaper. I don't watch much television and have found that your average security camera monitor is more entertaining than TV.
HUNTIN DAYLIGHT -- PAST TIME FOR A UNIFIED INDUSTRY VOICE
Ignoring extremist animal rights groups in the hopes of dousing the flames of controversy might have seemed logical in the beginning. Limping along without having to commit more scarce resources to the fight might have seemed necessary. Now, these notions seem less quaint than downright destructive.
MANAGEMENT OF YEARLING BULLS IMPORTANT TO HERD
With the spring sale season on the horizon, it is time we dedicate a little discussion to bull management.
PRODUCERS SHOULD FOCUS ON IMPROVING PROTEIN NUTRITION
One of the most common topics discussed when feeding pasture and breeding cattle is protein. Producers are concerned with crude protein in their hays, pastures, supplements and so on.
FRIENDSHIP FARMS SALE AVERAGES $4,010 ON 83 LOTS
The Friendship Farms Fall Bull Sale was held October 28, 2016 in Canoochee, Ga.
GENETRUST AT CHIMNEY ROCK HELD NOVEMBER 4-5
The GENETRUST @ Chimney Rock is an annual highlight of the Brangus breed, producing more chart topping A.I. sires than any other sale in the breed and the deepest offering of registered females anywhere, and 2016 was no exception.