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Aubrac sired F1s
by Bright Raven (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:52:02 GMT+5)
Nice pictures. Interesting cattle. Very healthy.

Tell us what you objective is using several breeds.



$425 for fake muddy jeans
by slick4591 (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:42:24 GMT+5)
My dirty bibs could be worth a fortune.



Insurance policy for day workers?
by Bigfoot (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:36:56 GMT+5)
Covered on my farm policy as well.



Pictures of Cows and no grass
by Lazy M (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:36:33 GMT+5)
Not enough sun so far this year. Moisture has been good, though. It'll take off in a week or so.



Massey 390
by Bigfoot (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:34:28 GMT+5)
Dave wrote:I have a friend who is selling a Massey 390. Only 3,700 hours. A good solid tractor. Priced right. The only problem is no loader. It had a loader on it before, the frame, joy stick, etc are there. Just no loader. I asked at a local dealer and they want nearly as much for a loader as the tractor will cost. I think it is a great deal on the tractor but the cost of the loader might ruin the deal. Any ideas on a used loader and where one might be found?

No ideas, but I bought a Massey 451 back a few short years ago. It was a bargain, but no loader. I was patient, and cross referenced every loader I saw posted anywhere. Took about 6 months. I found one for $1200 that would work.



Wye Breed that way ?
by WalnutCrest (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:25:25 GMT+5)
cow pollinater wrote:EPD's are just averages that come from a lot of different operations. If for example, My neighbor used a bull with a 60 WW and creep fed everything and I used the same bull and expected them to do it on just grass, our results would be very different. What you will see when you use low input genetics in a low input management system is that you'll get the best out of those calves while the higher growth stuff won't reach it's potential. I've seen calves from low input cattle outgrow or at least match the higher growth EPD calves when they're put in tough conditions and the cows breed back better because they don't NEED help.

+1

Great post.



Overhead Electric Fence
by M-5 (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:25:20 GMT+5)
Plenty of PVC roofs around the world so I know it will hold up to UV rays , but heat softens it and makes it plyable and heat is used to weld it together. I was referring to how it will be crookeder than a Clinton after tension is put on it in the hot son .



I want to apologize
by dun (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:21:48 GMT+5)
greybeard wrote:Jogeephus wrote:dun wrote:Better watch you don;t get whiplash from jumping from right to left. Ah well, olblama care will take care of it.
Now I suppose you'll start painting snakes red instead of blue

I'll gladly tattoo unicorns on rattlesnakes when I get my first check if need be.

I hope ya'll don't view my change of position as an act of hypocrisy; instead, I hope you see it as my being man enough to admit when I am wrong about the government.
Just what is the deal on all the 'unicorn themed food" lately? Unicorn cake...unicorn frappuchino, (whatever that is) , unicorn fruit 'kebabs'...are people just nuts?
I think you've summed it up pretty well



First Time Weaning
by Lazy M (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:12:41 GMT+5)
It may be worth it if you want to keep them thru the summer and add a couple hundred lbs to them. It would not be worth it if you want to only wean them for a month to get the couple cents more per pound to call them weaned. Unless they're already accustomed to feed they may lose weight for the first week or 2, and then by the time you sell them it would be a break even deal.



So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.
by Nesikep (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:06:25 GMT+5)
Jogeephus wrote:Nesikep wrote:Does the law have anything to do with that? They are here too.. NOW.. not in the first 3/4 of the 1900's though
I'm using this as an example.. PETA, et al wouldn't have a leg to stand on if there weren't SOME bad eggs in our industry that make our life harder

No laws that I know of. Its private property and if you want to pay taxes growing bushes then that's your right. Several years ago one of the environmental groups were soliciting money by showing pictures of the Mt. St. Helen's aftermath blaming all the downed timber on the logging industry. One of my friends confronted the speaker after his speech and they guy admitted doing this but laughed and said, "just look at the money we collected".

IMO, the biggest threat to forests on private lands is the government and the death tax that forces people to clearcut their trees.
Around here 99% of logging is done on federal land, so it's quite different.



Ideas for research paper on beef industry.
by NEKid (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 19:37:10 GMT+5)
Son of Butch wrote:Workinonit Farm wrote::nod: Jogeephus wrote:
Great idea! If you could connect the dots in such a way to easily show how Sinclair's book The Jungle led to the formation of the laws and regulations that have put the nails in the coffins of the small independent custom meat processor when Sinclair himself stated that people misunderstood the intent of his book and that the regulations Roosevelt put in place were unjustified boon to large meat packers at the expense of the taxpayers. These laws have essentially destroyed a good industry that once required a skilled workforce and replaced it with unskilled labor.

Yes!!!
"The Jungle" led to Teddy Roosevelt's Meat Inspection Act of 1907 (A good and necessary law for food safety)
Where it all went wrong was LBJ amending the Meat Inspection Act of 1907 with his Wholesome Meat Act of 1967

LBJ always meant well in all of his actions and laws. But in action after action there were unseen, unintended consequences. It was almost as though his presidency was cursed. Which is why I rate his presidency as easily
1 of the 10 worst of all time, with James Buchanan 1857-1861 hands down the worst.

The 1907 Act covered only meat crossing state lines, which in 1967 was 85% of fresh meat and 75% of processed meat.
LBJ saw this gap in federal power as a bad thing as it did not include imported and locally grown meats.
Rather than just passing a law to give the federal government jurisdiction over imported meats, he chose to try
to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and include locally grown meats.

In effect, LBJ's Wholesome Meat Act required all retail meat sold in the usa to be federally inspected by the USDA.
He was solving a problem with locally grown meat where no problem existed.
The cost of federal inspectors was too great for small local family butcher shops to compete with the big boys.
It drove thousands and thousands of small retail butcher shops out of business. And along with it the ability of small family farms to sell their products locally at competitive prices. Small producers with no other viable option were forced to sell their product to the big companies that could afford the new inspectors. These companies were able to pay for the added inspection costs by heavily discounting prices paid to small volume producers. Which in turn either forced small family farms out of business or caused many to scale back and get a job in town to make ends meet.

Economy of scale allowed for the vertical integration of meat production with Big Ag's battle cry of the 1970's
"GET BIG OR GET OUT"

Tha's almost a research paper in itself! Thank you Son of Butch; that makes it easy to wrap one's head around!



Southerners ain't got nothin' on us!
by dieselbeef (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 19:27:20 GMT+5)
oh they wont let ya stand within 5 ft of the chainlink,,that would just be acting dumb



Fly attack
by angus9259 (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 19:23:38 GMT+5)
Snow sucks, but there's not a fly around here for the next 30 days I'll bet.... no skeeters either!



Conceal Carry weapon for the wife
by Oldtimer (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 18:34:59 GMT+5)
I learned to shoot during an era when they would not allow an auto on the law enforcement range- so became sold on revolvers which is what I told my wife to shoot.. And I taught her how to shoot both a timed self defense course in double action and bullseye shooting in single action.. She became quite proficient and brought home a lot of medals and trophy's from pistol shoots.. All her shooting was done with Smith and Wesson revolvers- which was the only thing I owned or carried for years..

So when she was looking for a concealed carry for in her vehicle and purse I looked to a Smith and Wesson Model 638 .38 +P Airweight ..This offered her the shrouded hammer for single action shooting and allows for getting off quick self defense shots.. And its compact enough to fit into her purse or console of her vehicle.. She can throw a couple of speedloaders in her purse and be packing 15 rounds..

And after seeing how nice and light and easy to carry it was- I purchased one for myself- since you can carry it all day in an inside the waist band holster or slip it in your pocket.. I prefer the speed strips myself- as they carry without any weight or bulge..
If I'm out where I'm open carrying I still pack the Model 19 2 1/2 .357 or the Model 13 4" .357--- but for everyday concealed carry- you can't beat the little Smith revolvers..



Some more Murray Grey calves, from NZ
by waihou (Posted Tue, 25 Apr 2017 18:20:45 GMT+5)
To continue from Backbone Ranch post, here are some of our MG calves, just weaned this week. Born in July August 2016, our early spring, they have just been weaned at 7/8 months old. We have a few of the same blood lines as BBR, so it is interesting to see how they perform in different hemispheres and different pastures.

We don't feed any grains at all. The cows are outside all year round and grass fed. The calves are just weaned on to good pasture and all ages get hay and/or baleage (baled silage) in the colder months-June/July/August

The best heifer calf at weaning was 383kgs or 844lbs, at a gain of 2.86lbs per day to 263 days of age.
Best overall weight was 506 kgs of heifer twins reared by their dam who is a 3 year old second calver and at age 182 days, they weighed in at 264 kgs and 242 kgs. Pictured here on 1st of March



The bull calves are looking pretty solid, last weigh in was 5th March when the best was 355kgs- 782 lbs and gaining at 3.2 lbs/day so I guess by now he will be over 400 kgs -880 lbs
pictured yesterday at weaning 264 days.




A favourite heifer weighed in at 351 kgs,(773 lbs) gaining 1.2kgs/day since birth despite having ripped her hoof open at the beginning of March and had been sedated for bandaging and treatment 3 times in 2 weeks, she had gained 45 kgs since that event!





The sire of the calves is a bull sired by Monterey Steamroller from Western Australia, we picked him to improve carcase composition whilst giving good growth without raising birth weights too much. His calves from mature cows averaged 86lbs. This is his first crop of calves and although slower to look good I think they are heading the right way now-perhaps it was our awful wet spring and summer and viral infections going through the calves at 2 to 3 weeks old that held things up!?
Pictured is sire at 3 1/2 years this summer




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NEBRASKA STUDY SHOWS NO ILL EFFECTS FROM CROP RESIDUE GRAZING
It makes sense that a 1,200 pound Angus cow would place quite a lot of pressure on the ground on which it walks. But a new study shows that even these heavy beasts can't do much to compact common soils—if they're grazed responsibly.
IT'S THE PITTS -- ASK THE STYLEMASTER
It's been awhile (30 years) since I, the god of good taste, answered your many questions regarding what's in style. It's quite natural that you'd seek guidance from such a fashion forward expert as myself.
PASTURE RECOVERY AFTER DROUGHT CAN BE DIFFICULT
Maintaining a healthy pasture can be challenging, even in years with average rainfall. Drought affected the southeastern US from July to December of 2016. Drought conditions can impact pasture productivity further into next season.
PRIORITIZATION IS IMPORTANT TO NUTRIENT MANAGEMENT
Most cattle producers have a nutrition program of one type or another. Some are very well structured, perhaps even having been designed working with a nutritionist. Others are less sophisticated and are the results of getting recommendations at the local feed store or coffee shop. Some are very simple and include grazing on pasture, feeding some hay in winter and throwing out some range cubes when you want to call the cows up to gather calves (this is the program I grew up with).
THE WORLD ACCORDING TO HOOTER MCCORMICK -- HOW THEY'RE RAISED
“It was what I would call a life-affirming experience, maybe even a life-altering one,” Peetie Womack said with a solemnity seldom heard. He was addressing the monthly meeting of the Rio Rojo Cattlemen's Association (RRCA), talking about a brief journey to Kansas where recent wildfires had done some of the broadest and worst damage.
DEBTER RECOGNIZED BY ALABAMA BCIA
The Alabama Beef Cattle Improvement Association (BCIA) recently awarded the 2016 Richard Deese Award to Glynn Debter of Debter Hereford Farm in Horton, at the 2017 Alabama BCIA Annual Meeting held in Jemison on March 11.
SALACOA VALLEY BRANGUS SALE HELD MARCH 25
Eighty-nine registered buyers from 11 states and Australia participated in the recent Salacoa Valley Customer Appreciation Sale in at Salacoa Valley Farms in Fairmont, Ga.
IT'S THE PITTS -- MY EMPTY-BUCKET LIST
Other than becoming the first billion dollar lotto winner, my bucket-list is empty. I've already jumped in a pool fully clothed, made soap, worked a potter's wheel and been lost in the smoke at 6,000 feet over Donner Pass in a small airplane.
NUTRITIONAL TOOLS ENHANCE HERD PERFORMANCE
In more recent history, cattle producers are beginning to focus more on production efficiency. “What is the most economical way I can produce a calf or a pound of gain on the bulls and heifers I sell?” With every production parameter there is an efficiency measurement that comes with it. Cattle producers are in a constant search for ways to save money or improve productivity and profits. Producers who are in the business to be profitable and to maximize profits should review all avenues that can improve efficiency and help the productivity and performance of their herds. Since the largest single input for most herds is nutrition this article will focus on this aspect.
HUNTIN' DAYLIGHT -- TRADING UP IN HERD REVENUE
Although still discounted relative to fed cattle, resurgent calf and feeder cattle prices continued to lift hopes through March.
CONSIDER USING BALEAGE TO CONSERVE FORAGE
In many county Cattlemen's meetings and trainings held of late, I have strongly encouraged producers to consider taking full advantage of spring rains and growing conditions. Included in that discussion is usually an encouragement to use baleage to harvest and store any excess winter forage production. In this article, we will dive a little deeper into the management and use of baleage.
CLOVER SPECIES CAN COMPLEMENT FORAGE PRODUCTION
Most of the forage production in Mississippi targeting livestock is dominated by warm-season perennial grasses (bermudagrass and bahiagrass) and cool-season annual grasses (annual ryegrass and small grains). However, there is a number of clover species that can complement forage production to improve yields, reduce nitrogen inputs, improve forage quality, and extend the grazing season.
BRAHMAN FIELD DAY HELD AT LANGDALE FARMS
Education, fellowship and fun were on the program for the Brahman Field Day held at Langdale Farms in Avast, Georgia January 19-20. Langdale Farms hosted and sponsored the event; additional sponsors included the Wire Grass Cattleman Association and the Florida Brahman Association (FBA).
SIRE SELECTION IS FOUNDATION FOR PROFITABLE HERD
Bull selection is the foundation for building a profitable beef herd. Approximately 88 percent of the genetic makeup of a herd after 10 years of breeding will have come from the bulls used.
THE WORLD ACCORDING TO HOOTER MCCORMICK -- CIRCULAR CHATS
Hooter hated driving anywhere with lots of traffic, which was about anywhere on I-45, from about Sherman to south of Houston; anywhere on I-35 from South of San Antonio to Oklahoma City; anywhere on I-20 from…you get the notion.

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